Reluctantly starting to agree with you:risingwolf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:28 pm Stick a fork in it, it’s done.
Today is July 8.
Peak season ends on a late Labor Day Sept 7, 61 days away. Every day that tics of the calendar makes it that much easier to wait until next year. There is still talk of closing it down again if need be. GTTSR is not open past Avalanche. A pathetic 11 BC sites are open, and trails still need to be cleared. Everything east of the divide is closed. I had hoped when St Mary campground opened trails east of the divide would open but the goal line for St Mary campground keeps being moved and I sincerely doubt it opens. The list goes on. IMO I think the park embraced the Blackfeet closure. We can armchair it all day and I wanted to believe in this fairytale but let’s be realistic
"Wilderness" permits? I hope you don't mean "non designated" permits.zozeppelin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:07 am Don't blame them ... but wilderness permits would have been a nice compromise to access areas within the national park that are 'closed'.
Yep - those ones Not the 'I'm going to camp on Lake McDonnald wherever I want' ones (like this story: https://flatheadbeacon.com/2020/07/29/under-pressure/). Rather the 'sure you can camp at Two Medicine, if you hike in, at your own risk, abide by leave no trace, and there will be no amenities like toilet, bear box or water sources' kind.
I am of the assumption that there is a relationship between the level of a-hole and distance they are willing/able to hike, so the areas being discussed which are deep into the park, are safe havens.
The culture has changed in this country my friend--and NOT for the better. There are way too many selfish a-holes out there who don't believe that rules, regulations, or law apply to ***THEM***zozeppelin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:56 pmYep - those ones Not the 'I'm going to camp on Lake McDonnald wherever I want' ones (like this story: https://flatheadbeacon.com/2020/07/29/under-pressure/). Rather the 'sure you can camp at Two Medicine, if you hike in, at your own risk, abide by leave no trace, and there will be no amenities like toilet, bear box or water sources' kind.
Then dream on. Do you know how difficult it is to get a "non designated" permit in GNP??????
To the best of my knowledge, very few of those are ever given out, and then only to people who have a very good reason. And the BC Office doesn't allow the people granted one to camp just anywhere. NO WAY would they ever just open up the backcountry like you're suggesting. The BC Rangers know that applicants would lie their ass off regarding knowing what's required, the risks involved, etc. to camp in a "non-designated" area. That'll never happen. And it shouldn't happen-ever imo .
I am of the assumption that there is a relationship between the level of a-hole and distance they are willing/able to hike, so the areas being discussed which are deep into the park, are safe havens.
You are wrong. The remote reaches of the park are not safe from the a-holes. I think you're being a little naive if you think that there aren't people willing to hike into virtually anyplace in the park if allowed. There are lots of "backcountry jerks" out there who'd jump at the chance to go camping in park if they believed(rightly or wrongly) that they would have it to themselves.
Beyond all of that, not trying to get political, but looking ahead to next year .... does the situation change if the virus is still kicking around in sizable numbers? Sure maybe they can get the shuttles working 'safely', but what if the Blackfeet continue their ordinances?
I don't know what the changes will be if any, if the virus is still a problem.
NO COMMENT on the Blackfeet!!!!!!!!
It's Ok my friend.zozeppelin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:14 pm Haha Pete - fair enough and guilty as charged.
Looking forward to more pictures.
And here's the related article on the Teton NPS site:ND wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:48 pm https://www.facebook.com/GrandTetonNPS/ ... 5755513036
Check this out.
From the above article:Fairbanks142 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:58 am And here's the related article on the Teton NPS site:
https://www.nps.gov/grte/learn/news/gro ... -field.htm
So how many of you believe that IF CAUGHT, any of this crowd damaging the hay field will get "a fine up to $5,000 and/or up to six months imprisonment."Operating a motor vehicle off roadways is a violation and subject to a fine up to $5,000 and/or up to six months imprisonment. Additionally, the System Unit Resource Protection Act provides that any person or instrumentality that destroys, causes the loss of or injures, of any National Park Service resource is liable for response costs and damages.